Ahh.... thank you, Blondie. That makes sense even though I think it is totally wrong. Probably a better question is why the average rank and file does not question why the "org" does not voluntarily provide this information to its members, the ones who float the entire boat?
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How does WTBT$ get away with not filing a public financial statement?
by Darth Fader The Sequel ini have often wondered how the wt gets away with this.
every other "non-profit" or charitable group i know of that takes in donations, has a board, etc must publicly show how they spent their money, how many donations have been given, their assets, etc.
even the individual congregations read the accounts each month and post them on the bulletin board.
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How does WTBT$ get away with not filing a public financial statement?
by Darth Fader The Sequel ini have often wondered how the wt gets away with this.
every other "non-profit" or charitable group i know of that takes in donations, has a board, etc must publicly show how they spent their money, how many donations have been given, their assets, etc.
even the individual congregations read the accounts each month and post them on the bulletin board.
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I have often wondered how the WT gets away with this. Every other "non-profit" or charitable group I know of that takes in donations, has a board, etc must publicly show how they spent their money, how many donations have been given, their assets, etc.
Even the individual congregations read the accounts each month and post them on the bulletin board. Why doesn't the mother ship have to do this?
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If you had the audience of the GB, what is your #1 question you would ask them?
by Darth Fader The Sequel inthere are a million of them and mine is by no means the most important question to ask them if i only had one shot at it.
but, i have always wondered what kind of bs excuse they would give as an answer to this question: "brother goober bum, given that there are both male and female partakers here on earth who claim to be of the 'anointed' and plan on being of the 144,000 ruling with christ in heaven for eternity........ why are the female 'anointed' treated as submissive, second class citizens and why is their opinion on doctrinal matters, matters of teaching and reproving, anything at all.... why are they not recognized while here on earth even though you claim that jesus has selected them to become angels to rule with him?
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RichardHaley- that is sorta like the old question: "When did you stop beating your wife?" HAHAHAHAHAHAHAH!!!!
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Convention Hotel "list"- Free rooms for JW/WT "dignitaries"?
by Darth Fader The Sequel inin all my years of being a jw, one of the more annoying aspects to me was each year sitting through the service meeting review part about what was expected (see: demanded) behavior and policies that the rest of us rank and file were ordered to comply with to attend a district convention.
the minutia in this part and the over-reaching set of rules were enough to drive me into a lather of rage at the audacity of these people thinking they could and should control every single aspect of my attendance to this "free" and voluntary convention.
from what clothing i can wear on my trip to and from the convention city, to what clothing i can wear before and after each day of the convention, to what i should be doing after each day instead of eating dinner and enjoying some good times with good friends, to insisting on wearing a ridiculous name badge, to what i should eat for lunch and where i should eat lunch and what is the appropriate container to keep my lunch in, to .................. the list is endless!!!!!!!!
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RichardHaley- what pisses me off is that if the WTBT$ simply explained the system and said that it was a means of them covering other costs associated with the convention, most everyone would understand. But that it is covered up and secret is what looks bad and leads to more distrust and suspicion. Stupid.
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Fading, Stopping Meetings, DA or DF'ing, Thoughts on Getting the Hell Out Of There
by OnTheWayOut inso i read some threads about why someone remains a ministerial servant or elder, or why they are still active jw's.
others are telling stories about how they cut back slowly, and some of them got removed as ms/elder/pioneer or whatever.
yet others tell of how they just up and stopped going one day.
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My plan- 1) Continue my fade (I am almost off the radar now). 2) Get my wife closer to fading, gently. 3) Move to another state (already in the works). 4) Never look back. 5) Be a great and successful family that is happy and has morals and does charitable things and enjoy life for as long as it lasts. 6) Oh, and try not to be as bitter as I tend to get now in my situation. 7) Hope that some of our friends and family continue to love us for who we are, not how many hours we fill in on a time card or how many meetings we drudge through or worry that we do not worship the GB.
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Giving "Jehovahs spirit" credit for mundane, everyday things!
by BU2B ini am hearing this more and more and it is like nails on a chalkboard.
i hear it from the wt, from elders, from my parents and from jws in general.
this had to be jehovahs spirit!
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Desirous of Change, the case of of the poor girl (Whitney) that was murdered in the Portland area was the beginning of me seeing TTATT. I saw so much disgusting behavior and chatter amongst the JW world during that tragic mess that it turned my stomach. I had inside information on that case from the very beginning and I knew the murderer was a JW from early on. To see literally hundreds and even thousands of posts on Facebook, and in the online news report comments by local JW's who would make comments about the tragedy of what happened to the girl but NEVER mention that her murderer was a JW (even though all the locals knew full well) made me furious!!!! I actually called a local reporter and confirmed that he was a JW. Then I told people in my sphere of influence the news. You should have seen/heard the denials and excuses that came pouring forth. The rank and file JW's were all pre-programmed to assist in the denial and coverup to "prevent reproach on Jehovah's name". They were all too happy to turn the entire fiasco into a convention, holy spirit, feel-good story. EVEN HER OWN MOTHER!!!!!!!!! Other than the child abuse cases, this murder case made me more sick and delusional than anything else I have ever witnessed myself.
The thing that got Whitney killed, IMO, was her pre-programmed training from WTBT$ to trust "all the brothers" and to never learn to be street smart and able to defend herself. I am sure that right up to the point he pulled the trigger that poor pathetic girl was thinking that Jehovah would save her. That somehow this was all just a bad dream and her "brother" would come to his senses.
Yea, "holy spirit" must have been taking a nap that morning.
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Roll call of those of us stuck in for our spouse or whos spouse is still in!
by BU2B ini just wanted to get a feel for how many here have awakened to ttatt but are still carrying on some jw activities to pacify them and keep the peace.
also trying to hear from those who have left, but whose spouse has stayed in the wt and in the marriage.. for me it comes down to my own mental anguish.
i am mentally tortured by attending the meetings, yet i feel compelled to because my wife would kill me with her personality if i had her drag 2 small girls by herself there.
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I am in a full blown fade and have been for quite some time although I wasn't fully aware of just how ridiculous/hypocritical this religion really is until the last year or so. I always had my doubts and mostly did whatever I wanted to about 90% of the time anyway (even though I have always managed to stay out of trouble and respect myself and my own moral compass). I quit turning in FS time many years ago when I realized just how phony and fake the entire charade of busy work "preaching" is. I have never stopped sharing what I do believe in with people who showed interest in having a respectful conversation about faith. But "preaching" is obnoxious to me.
My wife is a wonderful human being who is a person who is a pleaser and always wants to do what she thinks is right. She likes to follow "rules" even though she is not a hard ass, uptight or pushy about things with others. It is the way she was raised. She had horrible parents who are duplicitous, selfish, abusive cunts. We have nothing to do with them even though they are JW's. It is truly a miracle that she turned out to be such a lovely, loving, kind, respectable woman/wife/mother.
But! Although I have spoken with her about nearly everything I know about TTATT, and she has to agree with 98% of it..... she still is hanging on to the comfortable notion that we stay involved in the JW's because she feels it is good for us to be grounded to something and she is also very much afraid of being ostracized even more by my extended family (Some of my JW family are genuinely good people who love us regardless. A lot of my JW family are self-righteous assholes that can shun with the best of them) and some of our friends who will, as usual, freak out if they ever knew we "were not regular and faithful".
So, I will continue to try and improve myself and be the best husband I know how to be. Keep us as happy as we have always been. Don't do anything stupid to jeopardize anything and wait it out until my wife can see with 100% clarity what we are dealing with here. She will, eventually.
One thing for sure...... I do not want my young children growing up with the institutionalized guilt and fear that my wife and I were raised with and still haunts us everyday. I will not comply!!! Nobody messes with my kids.
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Giving "Jehovahs spirit" credit for mundane, everyday things!
by BU2B ini am hearing this more and more and it is like nails on a chalkboard.
i hear it from the wt, from elders, from my parents and from jws in general.
this had to be jehovahs spirit!
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BU2B- you have stepped into my wheelhouse on this topic. IT DRIVES ME INSANE!!!!!!! What I have come to realize is that JW's who exclaim all of this "holy spirit" impacting their lives though out the day in, as you rightly say, mundane ways are just doing this to make themselves look and feel special to the other JW's they want to impress or include themselves with. Every time someone is interviewed on stage, whether that is at the KH or assembly or convention, or every time someone's life story is given in the Awake or yearbook, the "holy spirit" appears to be following these people around like a golden cloud raining dew drops of money and liquid gold on their heads with everything they do. These myopic morons who spew this crap do not take into account just how offensive that may sound to a person in the audience who had to struggle mightily just to get to that meeting or assembly that day. To hear a pioneer on stage claiming "holy spirit" when they got some small windfall of money or a bonus at their janitorial job or a generous brother mechanic fixed their sensible 4 door pioneer wagon and the single mom in the audience with 4 children had to scrounge up spare change to have enough gas money to drive to the meeting/assembly/convention and her car is about to blow a gasket or her phone may be getting turned off the following day......... and she has to be insulted by some precious pioneer who has been TOLD by the brother giving the part to make sure and give credit to Jehovah's "holy spirit" for all their luck errrr, I mean "blessings" in life?
The examples of this magical "holy spirit" "blessing" JW's is endless. I have heard literally tens of thousands of them. And that what it really boils down to....... these JW's believe in magic. It is their own pure and wholesome magic directly from the celestial heavens but, nonetheless, it is still magic. There is no other way to describe it using their logic and reasoning.
I believe in Holy Spirit. But my Holy Spirit is the cumulative positive energy of behaving and doing things the way Jehovah expects us to by using morals and principles and the actual fruitage of the spirit. If a person does their level best to live in that way then it is a dead lock that overall, things will go well for them and even when things do not go well, they have the mental stability to handle the situation. IMO, to believe in anything beyond this is not only ridiculous but actually cruel and disparaging to the God I believe in.
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Convention Hotel "list"- Free rooms for JW/WT "dignitaries"?
by Darth Fader The Sequel inin all my years of being a jw, one of the more annoying aspects to me was each year sitting through the service meeting review part about what was expected (see: demanded) behavior and policies that the rest of us rank and file were ordered to comply with to attend a district convention.
the minutia in this part and the over-reaching set of rules were enough to drive me into a lather of rage at the audacity of these people thinking they could and should control every single aspect of my attendance to this "free" and voluntary convention.
from what clothing i can wear on my trip to and from the convention city, to what clothing i can wear before and after each day of the convention, to what i should be doing after each day instead of eating dinner and enjoying some good times with good friends, to insisting on wearing a ridiculous name badge, to what i should eat for lunch and where i should eat lunch and what is the appropriate container to keep my lunch in, to .................. the list is endless!!!!!!!!
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The rates for rooms are typically pretty good. I have no issue with that. Usually the business-type hotels are ghost towns on the weekends so that is not a hard negotiation. The hotels like that love to be filled up on a normally dead weekend. The backdoor free rooms bother me because it is never explained and out in the open. Lame.
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Convention Hotel "list"- Free rooms for JW/WT "dignitaries"?
by Darth Fader The Sequel inin all my years of being a jw, one of the more annoying aspects to me was each year sitting through the service meeting review part about what was expected (see: demanded) behavior and policies that the rest of us rank and file were ordered to comply with to attend a district convention.
the minutia in this part and the over-reaching set of rules were enough to drive me into a lather of rage at the audacity of these people thinking they could and should control every single aspect of my attendance to this "free" and voluntary convention.
from what clothing i can wear on my trip to and from the convention city, to what clothing i can wear before and after each day of the convention, to what i should be doing after each day instead of eating dinner and enjoying some good times with good friends, to insisting on wearing a ridiculous name badge, to what i should eat for lunch and where i should eat lunch and what is the appropriate container to keep my lunch in, to .................. the list is endless!!!!!!!!
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Hi sir82, thank you. I used the word "shenanigans" only because it is the WT doing this, not some private travel entity or whoever in which these types of inside deals are expected. The fact that, as you and DoC have said, the WT keeps all of this hush hush is what really bothers me. The cloak and dagger side of the WT is plain despicable to me even in relatively mundane and unimportant things like hotel rooms. It presumes that either the rank and file are too dumb or too skeptical to be made aware of what they are doing. THAT is a problem!!!!